Is now the time to convert?



I have a couple of IRAs. One is a Roth, and the other is a non-deductible traditional IRA. So I wondered if now might be the time to convert the traditional IRA to a Roth, since the market is down and the taxes involved might end up being less. I’m still not sure what I might do, but at least I found out a few things about the process. That’s the first step, right?

A call to the IRS revealed this info:

MAGI < $100,000, on line 37 of 1040 subtract amount of the converted IRA from AGI and add lines 32, 33, 34, & 35. See Pub 590. Form 8606 is used to document the conversion.

Those were my notes from the phone call. They made sense at the time, I promise! But now? Not so much.

So I took a look at Publication 590. That says:

You can withdraw all or part of the assets from a traditional IRA and reinvest them (within60 days) in a Roth IRA. The amount that you withdraw and timely contribute (convert) to the Roth IRA is called a conversion contribution. If properly (and timely) rolled over, the 10% additional tax on early distributions will not apply.

You must roll over into the Roth IRA the same property you received from the traditional IRA. You can roll over part of the withdrawal into a Roth IRA and keep the rest of it. The amount you keep will generally be taxable (except for the part that is a return of nondeductible contributions) and may be subject to the 10% additional tax on early distributions. See When Can You Withdraw or Use Assets, later for more information on distributions from traditional IRAs and Early Distributions, later, for more information on the tax on early distributions.

Much of my contributions were nondeductible, so (if I’m understanding that right) only any earnings that I may have made on them would be taxable. And in this market, that probably doesn’t amount to much.

So, while I now have a better idea of whether or not it’s a good idea to do so in my case (probably) I still have absolutely no idea how to go about actually doing it. Have any of you converted from a traditional IRA to a Roth? If you have any tips, I’d love to hear them. I think I may need to get professional help on the logistics of this. That and go dig out my previous years tax returns to see what I actually contributed, etc.

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Posted in Savings & investments on Nov 19, 2008

4 Responses to “ Is now the time to convert? ”

  1. # 1 Holly Says:

    I actually asked my financial planner about converting my Traditional IRA to Roth IRA back in January. At that time he told me that the IRS will be changing the rules relating to that (I can’t remember when but I think it was in 2010) and that it made more sense to wait until then because it wouldn’t be taxable for me. So for now my IRA is still traditional. I definitely plan to convert it though.

  2. # 2 boots586 Says:

    My thinking was the same as yours-making lemonade out of the drop in the stock market lemons. Both my IRA and Roth are with TD Ameritrade so I went to my local office and they did the paperwork for me on line. They thought it would take several weeks to take effect but it only took three days. Of course, the market has kept going down and down since I did my conversion. I should have waited, but who knew? They will be sending me tax forms at the end of the year so I will know how much I will owe. I am still glad that I did the conversion as I did not want to pay taxes on my Roth distributions.

  3. # 3 Bruce Says:

    Given your situation and with what you have said, First I have this for you. Ask about this at your bank. (If they do it all for you and if there are fees for it, they are deductible- the fees).

    I am a bit curious how your Traditional IRA contributions were/are non-deductible. But any-ma-whos-its, when you convert Traditional IRA to Roth, keep in mind or the thought – “Roth IRAs are pre-taxed, meaning the income is taxed before you put it in, thus so when you take it out (at retirement) it is tax free except for what it earned.”

    When clients I have had in the past have converted from Traditional to Roth they had to pay taxes on the income. They don’t have to pay the penalties for early withdrawal.

  4. # 4 bluntmoney Says:

    Holly and boots, thanks, your comments give me more to think about.

    Bruce, of course your comments do too, but I wanted to explain about the non-deductible contributions. If I remember right (it’s been awhile) they’re non-deductible because I was covered by an employee retirement plan at the time and the deductible portion was phased out due to income. I think.


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